What does it mean to face the jaguar rather than run from it? For Pacha philosopher and ecospsychologist Lorena Saavedra Smith, this question transformed her understanding of immigration, anxiety, and spiritual wholeness. In this profound interview with Tami Simon, Lorena shares her journey from Peru to the United States and the decade of disconnection that followed—years spent trying to assimilate while losing herself in the process. Through Andean ancestral wisdom, she discovered that replanting herself in new territory didn’t require changing who she was. Like a pine tree moved to different soil, she could remain herself while adapting to new conditions. IN THIS EPISODE: 00:00 Introduction 03:59 Lorena's Journey: Replanting in the United States 08:53 Facing Anxiety and Embracing the Jaguar 14:56 The CARE Method: A Path to Reconciliation 19:27 Immigration and Personal Healing 24:54 The Somatic Experience and Connection to Nature 28:46 Understanding Sante: Heart and Mind Connection 31:09 Applying Ancestral Wisdom in Modern Life 33:56 Healing Through Ancestral Practices 35:12 The Coca Leaf Reading: A Spiritual Insight 39:36 Reconnecting with Nature and Ancestral Spirits 44:28 The Role of Community in Healing 47:53 Honoring the Matriarchs and Passing on Wisdom 54:01 Concluding Thoughts and Sacred Contracts ABOUT LORENA SAAVEDRA SMITH: Lorena Saavedra Smith is a Pacha philosopher and ecospsychologist originally from Peru, now “replanted” in the United States. She is a lifelong storyteller and keeper of Andean ancestral wisdom and medicine. Her new book with Sounds True is Awaken Your Roots: Reclaim Your Ancestry and Sovereignty by Heeding the Jaguar’s Call. --- Subscribe to Sounds True's YouTube Channel ► https://bit.ly/SubscribeSTYT Sounds True is a mission-driven learning and media company, and a recognized leader in wellbeing, personal growth, and spiritual transformation. Partnering with the world’s foremost wisdom teachers and best-selling authors, the company reaches millions worldwide with its unique programs, digital learning experiences, and worldwide events. The company also features a variety of original series, weekly shows, and live online experiences on Sounds True One, its global platform and community with members across more than 125 countries. Sounds True is a Public Benefit Corporation and also the home of the Sounds True Foundation. Connect with us: ▪️Facebook: http://bit.ly/2XFIIeE ▪️Instagram: http://bit.ly/2UlEoiH ▪️Website: http://bit.ly/2tOl02d